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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 17:39:09 GMT -8
Phillies send: - Jesmuel Valentin, Minors
- Ian Miller, Minors
- Seth Romero, Minors
- MiLBFA 6.14
Giants send:
- Lance McCullers, $15.7MM, 2021
- Nelson Velazquez, Minors
Phillies reasoning: - McCullers is a high risk (especially with injury), high reward gamble at $15.7MM but since I need starters and I was able to acquire him at reasonable cost, I'm taking the gamble. I am concerned about local rumors that he could end up being a closer or bullpen ace (a la Andrew Miller) but - again - taking a gamble here. I like McCullers at $15.7MM better than Mikolas at whatever the bidding may be up to now - just hope McCullers can stay healthy and start at least 25 a year.
- Romero and Velazquez are swapping. Romero is a 2017 1st rounder with frontline starter potential. Velazquez is a nice but very young power prospect with significant holes in his swing still - he was a late 5th rounder in 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 18:10:50 GMT -8
Confirm. I desperately need to open up roster space and cap space, and this trade does both. I get nice prospects in return, and I have an extra starter up my sleeve.
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Jan 16, 2018 18:46:16 GMT -8
+40 Phillies, though I am a big McCullers fan. I just fail to see where the prospects are - I don't think Miller and Valentin (and whoever remains in the 6th rd) are anything but organizational depth. In my eyes McCullers contract is a pretty reasonable balance of risk and his ultimate ceiling of an ace.
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Post by Seattle Mariners (Robin) on Jan 16, 2018 19:17:35 GMT -8
+50 Phillies, pretty shameless salary dump in my opinion. Mccullers at 15 Mil is beyond reasonable, but a lot of teams have backed themselves into a corner salary wise or inherited teams with messy caps. Understand you have to clear cap, but this looks like a dump of a young up and coming ace.
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Jan 16, 2018 19:39:37 GMT -8
+55 Phillies.........:0
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 19:41:36 GMT -8
Yeah I don't get this at all, McCullers' value should have been skyhigh after the playoffs. Even if your plan's to just overpay one of the FA's this week and consider that part of the return for McCullers it's still doing the Phillies a big favor and shorting yourself on the value you'd have gotten just by auctioning off McCullers to the highest bidder in chat.
I don't see the rationale in trading one stud to open up roster space either when you could have just DFA'ed some inconsequential player to paid minors and achieved the same effect. I get saving cap but you were under by $8 million, it's not like you had no room at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 19:53:31 GMT -8
+55 Phillies. Right now, I'd give you more right now just for McCullers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 19:58:16 GMT -8
+50 Phillies, can't really defend giving up a good young pitcher for spare change
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 22:02:56 GMT -8
+20 PHI
Anyone that would want him probably wasn't willing or able to take on the entirety of the contract and there is some injury concerns. Still think an actual prospect should have exchanged hands, I mean I had to look up Jesmuel and I couldn't tell you the last time Miller was on my radar.
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Jan 18, 2018 15:29:48 GMT -8
I've asked the Giants and Phillies to consider renegotiating this trade in light of the feedback from other league members
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Jan 18, 2018 15:30:11 GMT -8
I've asked the Giants and Phillies to consider renegotiating this trade in light of the feedback from other league members
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 16:15:11 GMT -8
Per request, the original agreement is updated.
Phillies also send Seth Romero.
Giants also send Nelson Velazquez.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 16:16:37 GMT -8
Confirm
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Jan 19, 2018 15:28:13 GMT -8
Processed
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