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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Mar 12, 2018 21:22:18 GMT -8
Cubs send: AJ Ramos (10.5) Hyun Jin Ryu (3) Lucas Duda (6) Dylan Cease Shed Long
Twins send: Brian Dozier (20.4) Tommy Kahnle (0.6) Sam Hilliard
Win now move for me, again. After trading away Chris Taylor this gives me another 2B, giving me now 4 solid start-able middle infielders. Losing Cease and Long will probably hurt in a few years, but based on their progress in the minors so far I think they are likely to take some seasoning in the majors before becoming solid assets. The rest of the pieces here are basically salary balance since we didn't have any salary obligation space to play with after the Goldschmidt trade.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 21:41:49 GMT -8
I send Dozier, his 30 HRs and $20 mil salary to the Windy City along with Kahnle (I liked him despite him being a NYY) and Hilliard (I liked his speed and power potential but not enough to scuttle the deal).
I get 30 HRs back with Duda but lose his $6 mil salary after this year (or could possibly move him this year). I also take on Ramos contract for the next 2 years but as an RP, he can provide some stats even at his age. I also take on SP Ryu and his $3 mil salary (but he fits in with all of other SPs.
And I get prospect SP Dylan Cease and 2B Shed Long. Cease will upgrade my pitching in a few years while Long + his plus speed could also pay off down the road. Deal again all about clearing cap and looking toward the future.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 2:22:36 GMT -8
+ 30 Cubs. Personally, I don’t think this is close. Dozier is by far the best player in the deal and Kahnle is solid as well. Duda hasn’t done a thing in a few years and Ramos although a good reliever is not a closer. Cease and Long could pan out, but so could Hillard.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 7:18:50 GMT -8
+15 CHC
I get the desire to move what could be a bad contract in 3 years while they're still playing lights out, but I'm not sure the deal is enough even before you factor in Kahnle and Hilliard.
Cease is good, but getting a pitching prospect as the primary piece for your 35-40 HR 2B is an undersell. Long really isn't a speed guy, he's never ran outside half of one year. The hope in CIN is that he can develop 20 hr pop at the ML level. Unfortunately he strikes out a lot, doesn't make a lot of good contact and got eaten up by advanced pitching. There is hope since he stopped pulling the ball last year, probably as an experiment, and since it didn't work he could start pulling the ball again and get back on track. I mean I'm a homer and I traded him so I guess I'm biased, but hope I'm wrong. The move makes sense, just not the parts.
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Mar 13, 2018 8:32:22 GMT -8
+20 Cubs, my reasoning is an echo of colororado's
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 6:05:59 GMT -8
+25 Cubs.
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Post by Cleveland Indians (Cody) on Mar 14, 2018 7:10:27 GMT -8
+25 cubs. Seems a minimal return for a 35 homer, 15 SB 2nd baseman. Plus giving up a decent prospect.
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Mar 14, 2018 18:47:42 GMT -8
Processed in Fantrax and spreadsheet. I agree with the sentiment that the deal is in my favor (or else I wouldn't have made it!) but I think there is a lot of value being placed on a pop-up successful season by a reliever and a 24 year-old 15th round pick who had a very good season in high-A...anyone want to (IMO) overpay for them?
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