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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 12:26:59 GMT -8
I am in favor of limiting the playoff salary awards to a maximum of five years. My reasoning is that if several or more teams continue to add to their salary cap then it will create an imbalance in the league. I think if there is no limit then at some point teams will drop out as it becomes more and more difficult to compete on a level playing field. This will create a general instability in the league, or at least I think it well might.
Please give an opinion as to what you think is best and why. Thanks.
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Feb 16, 2020 12:33:30 GMT -8
I completely agree as we saw in FA this year! Contracts were insane for at some times mediocre talent just to fill roster's. May e consider the amount of bonus money as well into this and then the league should balance real nice!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 20:54:11 GMT -8
I agree with Washington. After 5 years (in year 6), the cap bonus from 6 years ago must be removed.
And maybe we can limit the cap total bonus to 10 mil per team.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 23:26:18 GMT -8
I agree that a limit should be imposed for running 5 year timeframe. Team that can repeat back to back titles should be limited to the bonus for the 2 titles. There should be a maximum awards for teams. The original roto rules way way back placed more limits on the winning teams because if you have won your team is much better than the rest of your league. Once a team has built a strong team it’s hard for other teams to develop a team that can complete with the best team. Having the strongest team have a higher salary cap makes the task of new owners joining the league with much weaker 40 man roster and 60 man minor league rosters.
Coming up with a more challenging formula for the best teams makes more since than not having some sort of limit on increasing the salary cap for the winning clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 7:01:44 GMT -8
I think this is a good topic to bring up and I’m for the gist of everyone’s proposal of a time limit on the cap increases.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 9:54:07 GMT -8
Agre with the Rays who agrees with everyone else.
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Feb 18, 2020 6:04:36 GMT -8
Shocker! I'm NOT in favour. I think thw awards are low enought that they can remain permanent. 10 Years down the road, if a team can remain dominant for that long and we get into a situation where we have vast difference in cap space. Then I think that even more imitates real life. The MLB Yankees have been great for a century (even though I'm not a fan).....because of that they are a huge dynasty and have a huge budget. If owners stick with it and can continually win, then in the context of the JBL, they are a great dynasty and in a sence deserve a larger budget.
That's my humble opinion anyway
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 9:11:23 GMT -8
I am not in favor of capitalism, hahaha (prefer Bernie with all his faults). I appreciate your thoughts Matt, though obviously I dont agree with them. Presently MLB is in a somewhat sorry state as you have the very good teams, with or without sign stealing, and the terrible teams. I am not advocating for equality to the fullest, just some semblance of it. Personally, if teams started to completely dominate with higher salary caps then I would most likely leave the league. In fact, I wouldnt choose to join any league where I didnt have a team capable of competing from the get go. Maybe you would. So, this is fantasy, not real life, thus try to keep things better balanced. You have the MLB at present to keep you happy, Matt!
I would really hope more owners would give their opinions here. Thanks for reading.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 11:58:41 GMT -8
Great topic Carter.
I, too, favor a limit on both term and amount.
But I only favor the limits because I think it's needed for a fantasy league to sustain. In reality, I'm with Matt, if you built a winner, you should be able to reap the ongoing rewards winners receive. But in this fantasy baseball world, we see too many that can't hack it and leave, which makes it harder for a replacement owner to build up.
Theoretically, if one team wins the championship once every 6 years, that team will - essentially - always have additional cap money. And for fantasy purposes, if you're building a true dynasty, you should be able to win once every 6 years. If you're not, you're not really building the dynasty you thought you were. The purpose of dynasty leagues is to win over a sustained period of time, not just for one season, so limits do force us to continue building for our future too.
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Feb 18, 2020 13:02:40 GMT -8
I'll share my thoughts (however biased as a 2x WS winner) and then propose a compromise between 5 year and indefinite salary cap increases.
I was intentional in establishing the salary cap awards when I created the Juiced Ball League. The "parent" league for the JBL (which Carter knows well as an ongoing member, along with myself) has lower salary cap awards for playoff appearances and successes. I raised these in order to create a slightly more tangible sense of the same phenomenon that is associated with real-life MLB dynasties like the Yankees, Red Sox, perhaps the Braves of the 90s - increased revenue from consistent performance. In that "parent" league, the salary cap increases have been voted to be phased out after 5 years in the same manner that Carter suggests here.
As constructed, I don't think that the magnitude of the salary cap increases is above the "noise" of player-contract randomness and noise. My Cubs have the highest salary of +11 MM/year over the base $225 MM/year. We've seen plenty of $11+ MM contracts go unexpectedly south, where a player completely falls off a cliff in terms of health or production.
I'm not contesting that $11MM /year additional cap space isn't a clear advantage, it is (per design). What I do question is the magnitude of that advantage, especially now that the retained salary obligation limit has been increased by 250% to $50 MM/year. Teams that really want to make a playoff push to challenge the established playoff contenders are more able to do that than ever this season thanks to this rule.
Of course, I can see that unchecked salary creep could be an issue if (when!) the JBL is approaching the 2030 season. Because of that, I'd be totally fine in each year's salary bonuses expiring after 10 years. 5 years still feels too short for me - as my intent in constructing and commissioning the JBL is to provide a reasonable blend of fantasy competition with the types of considerations that influence MLB GM's decisions on how to construct and manage their organizations.
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Post by Los Angeles Dodgers (Jon) on Feb 18, 2020 14:43:39 GMT -8
I can see both sides of the argument and I don’t really lean toward either side, so let me offer a compromise. How about if each team keeps their best 5 years salary increases over the prior 10 years? That way, the most a team can ever have added to their cap would be $25 million, but each individual championship increase of $5 million (or any other level of increase for making the playoffs) could be used for a maximum of 10 years?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 16:03:11 GMT -8
I agree with Carter. If we are keeping this league for the long run, we will create salary discrepancies which could really change the shift of the league. I feel there should be a discussion with this component at the very least.
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Feb 19, 2020 9:21:04 GMT -8
Wow, that's a lot of passion for subject like this! I'm with Curtis. If (When!) The league is around in say 2030 like Curtis suggested. And we seem do be having such a problem where there is vast differences and no one wants t play, then at that point I am obviously all for addressing the problem. Adapt or die! But a 10 year expiry could be a fail-safe implement. Everyone is going to have their own reasons for joining a fantasy league. I picked this one because at the time it was one that closely mimicked the real life MLB. These days I haven't more than 5 MLB GM job offers (havn't had one either  ). So that's why I do fantasy baseball. I don't see anything wrong with the MLB right now. They have many many problems but its at the personnel level, not with how the league is set up. In fact, across sports its the league I admire and am dacinated with the most. Things like deep farming leagues, international signing pools, player, team and mutual options fascinate me. Best league in the world of sports in my opinion. (I do love player transfers in FIFA but they have many porblems at the league level) In the end, I'm not against the change Curtis suggested, but I don't see it as an emergency pre-season need. Like the FA minimum terms thing was. |
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