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Post by Seattle Mariners (Robin) on Aug 11, 2022 21:53:31 GMT -8
Contract Terms 2023-24T Annual salary $1,200,000 Total Bid Points 3.1 Is Contract and Bid Valid Yes
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 22:08:04 GMT -8
Contract Terms 2024-25T Annual salary $1,800,000 Total Bid Points 6.5 Is Contract and Bid Valid Yes
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Post by Los Angeles Dodgers (Jon) on Aug 12, 2022 12:09:48 GMT -8
Contract Terms 2024-25P Annual salary $1,800,000 Total Bid Points 9.0 Is Contract and Bid Valid Yes
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 13, 2022 7:39:10 GMT -8
Contract Terms 2024 Annual salary $3,000,000 Total Bid Points 12.0 Is Contract and Bid Valid Yes
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Post by Los Angeles Dodgers (Jon) on Aug 14, 2022 18:09:13 GMT -8
Sold
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Aug 20, 2022 14:10:26 GMT -8
I am opening the bidding back up with a Carpenter bid that is both valid and fits the Yankees' max payroll (the prior awarded contract took him appx. $300,000 over cap) The Yankee's prevailing offer is: Contract Terms 2024 Annual salary $2,708,110 Total Bid Points 10.8 Is Contract and Bid Valid Yes New York Yankees (Josh)Los Angeles Dodgers (Jon)@txrngr34 Seattle Mariners (Robin)Bidding teams - FYI
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 15:09:25 GMT -8
Contract Terms 2024-25T Annual salary $3,500,000 Total Bid Points 12.6 Is Contract and Bid Valid Yes
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 17:27:05 GMT -8
I am completely disagreeing to this! The bid was one before both other FA bids after carpenter were put in. You can't just pick which guy you want to release of my roster! It should be Eaton or the other Cubs pitcher before Carpenter!
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 17:33:23 GMT -8
I am completely disagreeing to this! The bid was one before both other FA bids after carpenter were put in. You can't just pick which guy you want to release of my roster! It should be Eaton or the other Cubs pitcher before Carpenter!
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 17:34:58 GMT -8
I am completely disagreeing to this! The bid was one before both other FA bids after carpenter were put in. You can't just pick which guy you want to release of my roster! It should be Eaton or the other Cubs pitcher before Carpenter! plus something is seriously wrong because I had 12 million when I made this bid. You messed up somewhere on my roster I'm pretty sure. I had enough for all 3 players guaranteed! With about 2 million left! That was less than 5 days ago. I also know what my cap number will be roughly already for next year. I don'tiss these things!please figure it out and fix!
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Post by Los Angeles Dodgers (Jon) on Aug 20, 2022 18:33:31 GMT -8
Contract Terms 2022 Annual salary $7,250,000 Total Bid Points 14.5 Is Contract and Bid Valid Yes
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 18:45:16 GMT -8
This is bullshit!! Vazquez was on my roster since beginning of last year! That means a whole lot of other bids and free agents over the last year and a half would be invalid! This is no little ooops and something that if not some sort of resolution made that's fair in any way I might be joining Atlanta on my way out the door! This isn't a small little oh ha ha oopppss
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 18:47:37 GMT -8
My whole roster in some regards would be voided of that's the case! Have had several additional players added or traded that would of put me over cap over the last year! This is completely not my fault as I go by what the spreadsheet says at the bottom available cap space!! I trust in the commissioner of this league to make sure it is 100 percent fair and balanced and managed. Including roster salary's and available cap space!
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 19:01:12 GMT -8
Oh and this don't just happen time to time! This is a 10 million dollar mistake missed for the last year and a half!
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Post by Los Angeles Dodgers (Jon) on Aug 20, 2022 19:02:39 GMT -8
I guess I’m not really sure at this point what your argument is. You seem to agree that Vasquez is on your roster, so his salary counts. This puts you a little over 2.7 mil from the cap. Regardless of whose fault it is that the spreadsheet is wrong (I see it as a joint responsibility between owners and commissioners), the salaries are what they are and you didn’t have the space for those guys. I know this is frustrating. You’re in a pennant race and just lost out on some players that could have helped, but the salaries are what they are and Curtis has made a call based solely on numbers. I hope you won’t make a decision to leave the league based on a spreadsheet error. You’re a fun manager to have around.
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 19:15:24 GMT -8
I guess I’m not really sure at this point what your argument is. You seem to agree that Vasquez is on your roster, so his salary counts. This puts you a little over 2.7 mil from the cap. Regardless of whose fault it is that the spreadsheet is wrong (I see it as a joint responsibility between owners and commissioners), the salaries are what they are and you didn’t have the space for those guys. I know this is frustrating. You’re in a pennant race and just lost out on some players that could have helped, but the salaries are what they are and Curtis has made a call based solely on numbers. I hope you won’t make a decision to leave the league based on a spreadsheet error. You’re a fun manager to have around. it's a mistake that has been there for almost 2 seasons is my frustration. That means a whole shit ton of other moves and bids have actually been invalid as well. It also means knowing I can't add players down the street h changes completely wether I dfa loisaga and a few others and just let them go instead of pull them back also. This is no small mistake.
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 19:18:11 GMT -8
I guess I’m not really sure at this point what your argument is. You seem to agree that Vasquez is on your roster, so his salary counts. This puts you a little over 2.7 mil from the cap. Regardless of whose fault it is that the spreadsheet is wrong (I see it as a joint responsibility between owners and commissioners), the salaries are what they are and you didn’t have the space for those guys. I know this is frustrating. You’re in a pennant race and just lost out on some players that could have helped, but the salaries are what they are and Curtis has made a call based solely on numbers. I hope you won’t make a decision to leave the league based on a spreadsheet error. You’re a fun manager to have around. it's a mistake that has been there for almost 2 seasons is my frustration. That means a whole shit ton of other moves and bids have actually been invalid as well. It also means knowing I can't add players down the street h changes completely wether I dfa loisaga and a few others and just let them go instead of pull them back also. This is no small mistake. there's a reason I'm not a commissioner as active as I am and that's because I don't have a home computer to really double check my teams actual payroll. I look at the bottom and trust you and Curtis are doing the job as commissioner to make sure that number is 100 percent correct and I'm sure I'm not the only one that does this. I run strictly off my phone. That 10 million would of completely changed free agency at the beginning of the year also!
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 19:23:36 GMT -8
Oh and to the fact that you didn't want him last week but now he hits two bombs and has a good week you bid 7 million, c'mon man! Total BS
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Post by Los Angeles Dodgers (Jon) on Aug 20, 2022 19:39:01 GMT -8
His salary has not been unaccounted for over two years. Every off-season, at a minimum, I go through each teams spreadsheet and make sure all the numbers add up. So at most, it has been that way for a few months. There is simply not enough time for the commissioners to check each spreadsheet every day or every week. By the way, I also run 95% of the time without a computer. I can still pull up Google sheets and check formulas just fine.
So again, this was an error. No matter who was at fault, your salaries add up to what they add up to. Did you expect to just be allowed to be 10 mil over the cap? I understand it’s frustrating. I really do, but Curtis made the only call he could make here to be fair to all 24 teams.
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 19:43:55 GMT -8
2 years! If it was accounted for my cap space wouldn't of been where it's been for the last few months at a minimum!
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 19:47:32 GMT -8
I never knew I was over. Ever! I always look every day! It says what it says and that's what I go by. I'm not spreadsheet savy. I actually used a calculator to add my roster to double check everything. I see he's right but also the amount of shit this would of affected for absolute minimum of a few months is insane! Just not even fair one bit. I go by what the number says! I and I bet 90 percent of others don't go calculate their whole roster when they look. They look at the number that says available cap space! Period!!
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 19:49:29 GMT -8
I'm a highly active owner which is more than a good few in this league. I genuinely give a crap about my team and getting it somewhere! I pay close attention to a lot of details but not this one. So now do I not get his stats for the week either?? I mean I would of started someone else!! This is not a small oh hey btw ya know you're screwed type of thing man!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 19:54:20 GMT -8
It's in everyone's best interest to double check our rosters to make sure that your totals are correct.
If your salary been wrong there isn't any justification to complain that correcting your roster is wrong. To make sure your roster is correct keep your own spreadsheet because errors can be made.
Checking everyone's roster and making changes for all owners takes tons of time. If guys want to improve things then help out the league to make things better.
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 20:22:28 GMT -8
It's in everyone's best interest to double check our rosters to make sure that your totals are correct. If your salary been wrong there isn't any justification to complain that correcting your roster is wrong. To make sure your roster is correct keep your own spreadsheet because errors can be made. Checking everyone's roster and making changes for all owners takes tons of time. If guys want to improve things then help out the league to make things better. how many timess you actually go calculate your spreadsheet vs. Just looking at available cap space? I'm not mad that it is finally getting fixed. I'm upset over the fact I could of just let a few goes go when I DFA them originally instead of pulling back. And now how does this affect my super close week with Cleveland for scoring also. And how many other invalid moves have been made before this because of it! That are my worries
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 20, 2022 20:23:02 GMT -8
It's in everyone's best interest to double check our rosters to make sure that your totals are correct. If your salary been wrong there isn't any justification to complain that correcting your roster is wrong. To make sure your roster is correct keep your own spreadsheet because errors can be made. Checking everyone's roster and making changes for all owners takes tons of time. If guys want to improve things then help out the league to make things better.
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Aug 20, 2022 21:04:09 GMT -8
I don't think there is anything that hasn't been said here. I go through and make sure salary cap calculations are correct multiple times per season. All owners are ultimately responsible for making sure their salary caps are not exceeded, and when a commissioner has to intervene this is what it looks like. Not punishment, not unfair, just figuring out a way to enforce the rules. There's no change in ruling. I'm sorry it is what it is, and I wish I could find a way to "lock-in" the salary cap calculations so that any changes to spreadsheets didn't effect it but I haven't found a way to do that in Google Sheets. I have definitely made improvements over the 5-6 years I've run the league and these kind of instances are much more rare these days, but obviously still not impossible to occur.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 21:21:33 GMT -8
Whoa.
As much as I'd like to continue bidding on Carpenter (I actually started following him earlier in the season as he was mashing before his callup), given the issues Josh has raised, I think we should put this guy on hold for now.
I could be wrong, but I think a few years back we had something similar happen where someone miscalculated their payroll due to an issue in the formula. I don't believe the problem is that an error exists in the formula, but that errors occur when we start moving things around and playing around with the cells. There is enough variance in team sheets that maybe we should consider standardizing it and locking the formula cells. Maybe the custom cells can only be put on the far right of all the mandatory, locked cells or something like that.
Anyway, I check my payroll formula at least a few times a season, but that's mainly because I'm paranoid I accidentally changed something when I'm moving guys around on my roster, or adding extra rows or something. If it hasn't been made clear before, maybe we should constitutionalize it going forward, but I do believe that each owner should be the ultimate owner of their payroll accuracy once we get this fixed and maybe standardized in formatting for each team's sheet.
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Aug 20, 2022 21:39:51 GMT -8
100% with you Paul, but if not re-opening the bidding on Carpenter (who has had a solid first week but not one that would make me think opens up all sorts of new-found interest in him) - what should the resolution be? We can't let a team violate the salary cap as this is one of the most fundamental rules to this dynasty league.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 21:49:58 GMT -8
100% with you Paul, but if not re-opening the bidding on Carpenter (who has had a solid first week but not one that would make me think opens up all sorts of new-found interest in him) - what should the resolution be? We can't let a team violate the salary cap as this is one of the most fundamental rules to this dynasty league. Honestly, mainly because he has produced, the fairest resolution might be to freeze him until the offseason MiLBFA draft. I say draft, because any type of free agency will reflect somebody's expected production from a guy with a positive one-week sample size. The draft, at least, gives everyone equal opportunity to trade up and into a position to draft him, wherever they may feel he fits given the rest of the prospect pool. If someone really wants to burn a 1.1 or 1.2 on him, let him trade up into that position. It's at least an opportunity to acquire him when salary restrictions may otherwise rule someone out. I don't know though. I'm just kind of thinking out loud.
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Aug 20, 2022 22:02:44 GMT -8
100% with you Paul, but if not re-opening the bidding on Carpenter (who has had a solid first week but not one that would make me think opens up all sorts of new-found interest in him) - what should the resolution be? We can't let a team violate the salary cap as this is one of the most fundamental rules to this dynasty league. Honestly, mainly because he has produced, the fairest resolution might be to freeze him until the offseason MiLBFA draft. I say draft, because any type of free agency will reflect somebody's expected production from a guy with a positive one-week sample size. The draft, at least, gives everyone equal opportunity to trade up and into a position to draft him, wherever they may feel he fits given the rest of the prospect pool. If someone really wants to burn a 1.1 or 1.2 on him, let him trade up into that position. It's at least an opportunity to acquire him when salary restrictions may otherwise rule someone out. I don't know though. I'm just kind of thinking out loud. I just don't see how that is consistent or tempers the tough-luck situation the Yankees find themselves in. The bidding was re-opened with what the Yankees' valid bid should have been at the time. If no one else would have bid, he would be awarded Carpenter. If we are trying to give the Yankees a second chance at landing Carpenter he is free to make a longer-duration bid for additional years and therefore bid points.
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