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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Jan 15, 2019 18:04:37 GMT -8
That's right - the league's first 3 way trade, and it's a big one.
Orioles receive:
From Red Sox:
Michael Chavis, 3B Red Sox
Jake Burger, 3B White Sox
From Cubs:
Ronny Mauricio, SS, NYM
Jonathan Loaisiga, SP, NYY
Rich Hill, $11,300,000 2019
Red Sox receive from Orioles:
Manny Machado, $26,000,000 2021(Orioles retains $2.5 million of Machado’s contract annually)
Pedro Strop, $4,600,000 2021-22P
Orioles 2nd round 2019 AMAT pick
Cubs receive from Red Sox:
Giancarlo Stanton, $29,500,000, 2021-22P
I would have preferred to sign JDM but didn't have the cash (wish I would have traded Hill earlier!). This opportunity kind of fell in my lap thanks to the Red Sox having the idea of a 3 way deal, and I ran with it. I don't like to give up either prospect but they are a long way off and this upgrades my lineup in a big way. I feel like I could even be buying low on Stanton after last year! His salary is a big risk, but thankfully will expire around the time that the rest of my superstar contracts expire, so it might provide a good opportunity to begin a big free agency spree.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 18:34:20 GMT -8
Red Sox accepts - this was fun! Great move for Orioles as he was able to take advantage of two guys who wanted to make a big move.
I like this deal for me because I feel like Machado fit my needs better than Stanton as my OF is relatively strong while my infield still has some question marks. I also didn’t like how the auction was laying out for middle infielders in my price range. The salary relief should also give me a little more room to maneuver.
My bullpen sort of fell apart last year so I wanted Strop to help bolster it. Regardless of role, he’ll be in a leverage role on a good team. The 2nd round pick is really to just help offset the blow of losing two really good prospects.
My team is built to win now - this deal helps make me better.
Jazz / Curtis - fun deal to be part of. Thanks for your efforts to pull it off!
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Post by Baltimore Orioles (Jazz) on Jan 15, 2019 18:39:39 GMT -8
I accept this trade as the Baltimore Orioles...
I did this because I don't see much of a chance to compete next year. I'm looking 2020-21 to compete I got 50 million in salary coming off this year and dumped more salary... Coming in with 8 million for free agencey gives me no room to make any move I like...
I got 4 prospects and a salary dump
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Post by Cleveland Indians (Cody) on Jan 15, 2019 18:48:25 GMT -8
+0 First off I would like to say wow and nice work guys. This trade is even all the way around IMO. Baltimore got some nice prospects and dumped all but 2.5 mill of machados contract by next year. Losing the draft pick hurts. Cubs added a game changer in Stanton. Red Sox traded sluggers and filled organizational needs while adding a potential closer and draft pick.
I spent some time thinking about this deal and I really like it. Exciting stuff
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Post by Seattle Mariners (Robin) on Jan 15, 2019 19:03:29 GMT -8
+5 CHC, +3 BAL. This is interesting all the way around. CHC gets a slight edge because they only gave up a couple young pieces and Rich Hill for '19 and picked up a huge bat in Stanton, and his salary doesnt bother me much after what we are seeing in Free Agency. BAL came into the league and made a big move towards his plan, cleared payroll and got 4 prospects. Loaisiga is a big add for me. As for BOS im not to sure what to think, I understand the position preference of Machado over Stanton, but it cost a couple of prospects. Overall cool trade and good luck to everyone with the rest of the offseason. Only a month until SP!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 19:15:21 GMT -8
+10 Cubs
+5 Red Sox
-15 Orioles
Overall, I like this deal because it does accomplish something that each team wanted.
That said, Cubs get a huge bat and dumped salary (Hill) for two good, but not elite or really exciting, prospects. Hence, the +10 here.
Red Sox would've scored higher in my book, if not for losing Stanton. But they get an elite infielder entering his prime below market value and a great 2nd round pick for Stanton and two high-ceiling/low-floor prospects.
Orioles fared better than my rating suggests, mainly because it positions them well to rebuild. That said, they get zero elite - or even next tier - prospects and Rich Hill for giving up Manny, a prime 2nd round pick, and Strop. It's just hard for me to feel Orioles made out well - not to say it's not decent - when they didn't get any elite talent back at any level. I think if a Kirilloff or Hiura was coming back to Baltimore, it would be a better all-around deal.
In any case, nice work fellas. A 3-team trade in this league almost feels like a unicorn.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 20:25:40 GMT -8
Fancy +50 everyone.
Like this for the Cubs most, shed salary get an elite power hitter and only had to give up two decent but unspectacular specs.
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Post by Los Angeles Dodgers (Jon) on Jan 15, 2019 20:39:25 GMT -8
+30 Cubs
+5 Sox
-20 Orioles
Cubs got a steal here. Two good but not great prospects for a top notch OF and get to dump a salary too.
Sox improved by getting a position switch with Machado. Gave up two prospects to do it, but not a big loss and the 2nd pick and Strop may end up being better.
Orioles gave up Machado, Strop, and a 2nd to save 19 Mil and get back 4 prospects, the best of whom may be a PED minor leaguer that ends up at 1B. Kind of a head scratcher, but hopefully the money helps him out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 22:59:15 GMT -8
I completely agree with Jon: Cubs are the big winners in this and RedSox got their star SS and a high pick.
I don't understand Orioles move: getting just 4 ok but not great prospects (neither one is a top 100) is kind of a head scratcher and giving up a high 2nd rd pick in the process is questionable too.
+30 Cubs
+15 Sox
-25 Orioles
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Post by Seattle Mariners (Robin) on Jan 15, 2019 23:05:13 GMT -8
I think prospect rankings are a dangerous way to view how well a team came out in a trade. We all view prospects differently, and there are a lot of other factors that going into how someone views a prospect other then their Baseball America or MLB top 100 ranking, i.e. minor league system, playing oppurtunity or hell maybe just a gut feeling. Also I think the fact that this is a salary cap league gets over looked sometimes, we all (most of us) know what its like to be up against the cap, you gotta make moves to get your back off the wall and its not a perfect trade this for that system that our league provides.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 4:47:32 GMT -8
I do agree with the consensus that Cubs are the big winner here - as usual, getting Stanton for Hill on an expiring contract, Loaisiga who I do like but isn't exactly proven durability as a starter (he'll likely either be an injured starter or a solid bullpen guy) and another guy who's interesting but really far away. Cubs +20
I think Red Sox made out even to slightly ahead, sure they downgrade slightly from Stanton to Machado but it fills more of a need for them plus they get Strop and a high pick which basically cancels out one of the two guys they gave up (Burger). They did have to give up Chavis for a setup guy plus a switching of assets so I'd rate them about even - a little higher cause they filled a need. Red Sox +3
I get wanting to save cap money but Machado with three years left on his deal isn't a guy you trade to save cap space, he's a guy you trade for a freaking haul. I don't know if four okay prospects are enough to really justify it in the end but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt to a degree and say at least one of these guys turns into something. Still think they could have gotten a more likely top guy close to the majors for trading away a stud, plus two or three of those same type of prospects. Orioles -15
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 5:47:15 GMT -8
I’ll chime in in defense of the Orioles move. Manny Machado’s average dollars earned over the last two years is $25 million. Giancarlo Stanton’s average dollars earned over the last two years is $30 million. The Cubs and the Orioles are paying the full value of those contracts so we aren’t getting surplus value out of that. We’re just getting fairly valued good players
For fair value assets, the Orioles got a top power hitter in the minors, a pitching prospect that flew up the rankings last year, a former 1st round pick who suffered a freak injury not allowing him to play in the minors yet, and a guy who many are projecting could be in the next great line of prospects. Oh, and a pitcher that he can flip at the All Star break for another decent prospect if he eats salary that he won’t need for three months. For literally zero value.
Jazz was never getting Keston Hiura or Alex Kirilloff in this deal. Because a $23.5 million Manny Machado is not worth that. Orioles did a great job in this trade
My $0.02 (and worth exactly what you pay for it)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 8:47:04 GMT -8
I just think this is a hard deal to pull off in general and getting this deal done is incredible. Huge salaries are changing hands and being able to do that, with most against the cap is impressive.
The Cubs really came out as gangbusters here. I really like Mauricio. He's going to be a good prospect. Jonathon is a good prospect as well, but he has injury concerns... Meanwhile the Cubs receive arguably the best power hitter in the league in Stanton. Crazy move to get it done, the rich get richer here. +40
Red Sox receive one of the best Infielders in baseball and to get it done moves on of the best outfielders in baseball. If Machado goes to New York, it'll be even better for Jason. I'm not the biggest Jake Burger guy, sure he has good power, but I feel he is a flyer right now, and he has now had two ruptured Achilles. That's tough to come back from. Chavis isn't without his questions marks too, doesn't have enough contact skills is one I hear alot, but the power is there. Good get for Jason +7
I know shedding salary is the goal, but without Kirilloff, this is a no go for me. Get a guy who has a 65 hit tool and go from there. I like Mauricio and Losaiga, and to a lesser extent Chavis, but none are elite in my books. Just needed better prospects for an elite player. -25
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 10:14:06 GMT -8
Strange the hate for the Os side. Sleeping on Burger after the injury I guess, I think he's an elite hitter if he can come back healthy. I look at him and think Chunk Rizzo. I don't like Chavis but thats me but I dont see him as a carrying piece, he's the 4th best prospect. Personal preference aside I can see why people like him. Loaisgia is a power arm and super close, if it weren't for injury comcerns he'd be a centerpeice, I like him a lot. Mauricio is really young but has a ron of upside.
It's hard trading a big contract, even if it's a star. So if getting a "elite" guy isn't in the cards getting quality volume is the way to go. Pretty sure the Os did that. If I'm being honest, I like this a smidge more for the Os then the Sox.
As far as the Cubs go, can't really view that as a factor. Curtis wins every trade.
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