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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 20:36:32 GMT -8
SEA recieves AMAT 1st round pick MiLFA 5.5 MiLFA 6.5
CIN recieves OF Anthony Santander, $2,039,242 2023
This deal helps me out in the short term as I need to fill out my 2023 roster and while its unfortunate that I'm losing him after this season, I think its worth taking him on for this season so I can focus on improving my roster in other areas. Thanks and good luck to Seattle!
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Feb 24, 2023 20:50:09 GMT -8
Personally, I think you have highly under-valued the 1st rd AMAT pick here.
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Post by Seattle Mariners (Robin) on Feb 24, 2023 22:41:17 GMT -8
SEA Accepts. Hard to let 36 hr leave my lineup, especially on a cheap deal compared to what FA is bringing to light. I love Santander, he's been a huge part of my team for years but I think it makes sense to part ways with him and I have some internal options that can potentially fill in the outfield. Thanks Thomas
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Feb 25, 2023 7:41:39 GMT -8
+20 Seattle, I'm with Curtis here as I think that 1st round pick is way more valuable than one year of Santander. Everyone knows I've made what seem like one sided trades so I hope it works out for the best. Sometimes ya just have to do what ya have to do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 20:07:47 GMT -8
+49 SEA
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Post by Washington Nationals (Carter) on Feb 26, 2023 11:36:12 GMT -8
I also am sorry to say I agree with Curtis. Santander is fine but not for a first round pick and esp this coming group. Plus a one year deal makes me not want to see what trades are made.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 14:40:46 GMT -8
Can we get an argument where this is actually fair value?
I understand differences in value, but objectively, where is this anywhere close? I'll give you Winker for a 2nd round AMAT and that's still too much to ask for imo.
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Post by Los Angeles Dodgers (Jon) on Feb 26, 2023 15:19:53 GMT -8
I guess I could see an argument if the Reds become a contender this year. A 1st round pick is no sure thing. I think my best one ever turned into Nico Hoerner.
That’s just an argument that you asked for though. I still wouldn’t give up this much for Santander.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 15:32:55 GMT -8
This isn't Mike Trout or Aaron Judge. I could see it if you wanted to put yourself over the top with a superstar on a one year contract. Santander is a nice player; however, if he put that pick on the market, it would fetch something much better. Much less extra MiLB selections.
To me, there is a reason a veto exists and this is the reason there is one. I'll give him Winker or Meadows for a 3rd if this doesn't go through and if he wants to negotiate it further, we can chat.
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Post by Seattle Mariners (Robin) on Feb 26, 2023 15:58:08 GMT -8
There is no veto in this league. To me this is more about you feeling like you missed out because you have had your one year OFs on the block and haven't made a deal. Santander is better than Meadows and Winker. Period. You will give a 3rd rounder for Meadows? What are you talking about. Great, you voiced your opinion that you do t like the trade already. Always takes the first trade of a rental to set the market, we haven't had one yet. Go back and look trades in the history of this league for 1st round picks, Santander is a top 100 player. The market has been set, hope this helps you get the ball rolling on guys you have been shoping for two years
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Feb 26, 2023 16:00:15 GMT -8
I'm actually fine with it, is it lobsided?....Yes, but far worse deals have not been vetoed over the past year. Being objective and not looking at where each team is in contention (because I don't believe that should enter into it) if you believe Santander will repeat last year's performance (which I don't but again that shouldn't enter into it) it's at least in the ballpark of fair value for me. The other pics murky the water a bit.... But not enough to really tip things.
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Feb 26, 2023 16:05:25 GMT -8
There is no veto in this league. To me this is more about you feeling like you missed out because you have had your one year OFs on the block and haven't made a deal. Santander is better than Meadows and Winker. Period. You will give a 3rd rounder for Meadows? What are you talking about. Great, you voiced your opinion that you do t like the trade already. Always takes the first trade of a rental to set the market, we haven't had one yet. Go back and look trades in the history of this league for 1st round picks, Santander is a top 100 player. The market has been set, hope this helps you get the ball rolling on guys you have been shoping for two years 6.5 of the Constitution there is a Veto in this league. "Not less than 24 hours nor more than 48 hours (or as soon thereafter as possible), the commissioner(s) will discuss the trade to determine whether it is vetoed due to potential collusion. The aim is to allow GMs to voice their opinion (with brief explanations for their grade) and leave open a method for vetoing egregious trades, but it is the intent for GMs to be allowed to manage their team as they wish and only have vetos if there is collusion involved. Grading trades and offering of opinion is meant to help all GMs, especially those newer to dynasty leagues, think carefully about the trading process. GMs should always be respectful in their opinions."
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Post by Seattle Mariners (Robin) on Feb 26, 2023 16:08:14 GMT -8
There is no veto in this league. To me this is more about you feeling like you missed out because you have had your one year OFs on the block and haven't made a deal. Santander is better than Meadows and Winker. Period. You will give a 3rd rounder for Meadows? What are you talking about. Great, you voiced your opinion that you do t like the trade already. Always takes the first trade of a rental to set the market, we haven't had one yet. Go back and look trades in the history of this league for 1st round picks, Santander is a top 100 player. The market has been set, hope this helps you get the ball rolling on guys you have been shoping for two years 6.5 of the Constitution there is a Veto in this league. "Not less than 24 hours nor more than 48 hours (or as soon thereafter as possible), the commissioner(s) will discuss the trade to determine whether it is vetoed due to potential collusion. The aim is to allow GMs to voice their opinion (with brief explanations for their grade) and leave open a method for vetoing egregious trades, but it is the intent for GMs to be allowed to manage their team as they wish and only have vetos if there is collusion involved. Grading trades and offering of opinion is meant to help all GMs, especially those newer to dynasty leagues, think carefully about the trading process. GMs should always be respectful in their opinions." No trades have been vetoed in th history of this league. Yes its in the Constitution, but there is no precedent and no collusion
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 16:09:40 GMT -8
I made a trade last year where the value for those top 5 picks were shown.
I traded with San Fransisco for 3 controllable pitchers AND 1 year of Ian Happ. I have a problem with Robin, a co-commish of the league, knowing the value of those picks and taking advantage of someone who is newer.
That's it. That's the reason I can't stay, because I can't trust the brass of the league regardless of the situation here.
Thanks for all the work on the league and I appreciated every single conversation for the past 6 years. I liked getting to know you guys and building up my minors and trading. It's just not going to work out.
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Feb 26, 2023 16:11:42 GMT -8
There was one last year or the year before (I can't remember) that Curtis asked the GM's to "rework" and that's just the last one that comes to memory. But I won't be arguing about this. I like how the last part of what I quoted put it about being respectful and the intent, so I won't be arguing further. I voiced my opinion and I respect the others as well.
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Feb 26, 2023 16:23:24 GMT -8
There was one last year or the year before (I can't remember) that Curtis asked the GM's to "rework" and that's just the last one that comes to memory. But I won't be arguing about this. I like how the last part of what I quoted put it about being respectful and the intent, so I won't be arguing further. I voiced my opinion and I respect the others as well. that was my trade with someone. Can't remember which one but lord knows I've made a few bad ones in some people's eyes but they worked for me better than thought.
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Post by Cleveland Indians (Cody) on Feb 26, 2023 16:33:41 GMT -8
Chances are none of those picks will amount to anything. I don't understand why this has become an issue. I definitely think the M's got the better of the deal but who knows at this point. There was obviously no collusion and this trade could go either way.
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Post by Atlanta Braves (Andrew) on Feb 26, 2023 16:38:58 GMT -8
I'm with the consensus that Reds gave up too much for a good (but not elite) rental player, but it doesn't seem too egregious.
I was actually just looking back at archived trades from last offseason to get some comps for another trade discussion I was having. Last offseason rental Haniger was traded for an AMAT 1st, Benintendi for a 2nd and 6th, Nimmo for a 2nd and 4th. This seems to be within arms length of other deals, even if it is a price I wouldn't pay
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Post by Seattle Mariners (Robin) on Feb 26, 2023 16:47:34 GMT -8
Sorry to see an Original member of the league leave if that's what he feels is best. Really appreciate the dedication and the requirements done to keep this league a float. I dont feel this trade justifies people leaving the league.
With that being said, I will be giving up my spot as a co-commisoner of the league. The league is in good hands with Jon coming on board a few years ago. I used to enjoy processing transactions (which is why I was added) to help Curtis so he wasn't on the hook for processing transactions for 24 teams. I have no part in the direction of this league, aside from recommending others to join. Most of my recommendations are still a part of this league and I will continue to recruit others if needed. I have never been considered "the brass" of the league and I would like to step down officially to role that I have been filling unofficially for the last 3 years, league member.
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