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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Sept 5, 2017 9:58:54 GMT -8
It's now September and we see a lot of new young promising faces around the Majors, some of them not on JBL Rosters. Since most of these players are only in the majors for the month and may not be seen again until a short call up the following season or perhaps even the following September, I propose the following.
September Call-ups are not eligible for In-Season Free Agency since In-Season FA ends 8/28. However since these players are up in the majors in September they are accumulating MLB AB's and IP's, witch nullifies they're eligibility for the MLIB Draft. That means that the only way a JBL team can aquier one of these players is by signing them in Off-Season Free Agency to a salary. The issue with this is that they are still young, still prospects and therefor will still spend copious amounts of time in the minors. Because of this, spending at least 600 000$ of cap space on these players while they pay they're dues in the minors seems like a disadvantage.
I propose an amendment to Sec. 8.2 of the constitution to allow for September call-ups to be selected in the MLIB Draft. Perhaps stipulating that "Eligible players include:
(a) any minor league players not on a JBL Team Minor League Roster, except that a player on an MLB 40 man roster at the time of the MILFA Draft AND who had any MLB AB/IPs (Between the start of the regular season and the last day of August) in the season just ended is not eligible but may be an Off-Season Free Agent if otherwise meeting the requirements thereof;"
Also since I don't think I have ever looked at a MLB 40 Man roster during the month of January, I'm nut sure if the "except that a player on an MLB 40 man roster at the time of the MILFA Draft" would also prevent these available September call-ups to be selected in the MLIB Draft.
Just throwing this out there.
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Sept 6, 2017 8:20:01 GMT -8
September Call-ups are not eligible for In-Season Free Agency since In-Season FA ends 8/28. However since these players are up in the majors in September they are accumulating MLB AB's and IP's, witch nullifies they're eligibility for the MLIB Draft. I can't see many players exceeding 130 AB/ 50 IP through only September callup games. Typically these players are rotated in/out with some frequency. If the player already has some MLB AB/IP accumulated from a previous season it is very likely that they have been on the team's 40 man roster all season and thus elligible for in-season free agency all season, so I don't see an issue there either. I'd much prefer to keep the rules as simple as possible here. If during this offseason's MiLFA draft we notice a large enough number of recent call-ups exceeding prospect eligibility limits then let's revisit this idea, but otherwise I suggest we keep the rules as written. |
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Sept 6, 2017 12:34:07 GMT -8
September Call-ups are not eligible for In-Season Free Agency since In-Season FA ends 8/28. However since these players are up in the majors in September they are accumulating MLB AB's and IP's, witch nullifies they're eligibility for the MLIB Draft. I can't see many players exceeding 130 AB/ 50 IP through only September callup games. Typically these players are rotated in/out with some frequency. If the player already has some MLB AB/IP accumulated from a previous season it is very likely that they have been on the team's 40 man roster all season and thus elligible for in-season free agency all season, so I don't see an issue there either. I'd much prefer to keep the rules as simple as possible here. If during this offseason's MiLFA draft we notice a large enough number of recent call-ups exceeding prospect eligibility limits then let's revisit this idea, but otherwise I suggest we keep the rules as written. The rules state "Any" AB/IP, so if a September call up gets even one AB or throws even one inning...... doesn't that mean he is in-eligible for the MLIB draft? |
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Sept 6, 2017 12:36:38 GMT -8
But maybe I'm just misunderstanding the rules
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 12:55:31 GMT -8
Now that I look at it I read it the same way as Detroit:
A six (6) round Minor League Free Agent Draft will begin approximately January 15th each year. Eligible players include:
(a) any minor league players not on a JBL Team Minor League Roster, except that a player on an MLB 40 man roster at the time of the MILFA Draft AND who had any MLB AB/IPs in the season just ended is not eligible but may be an Off-Season Free Agent if otherwise meeting the requirements thereof; and
(b) international signings who are currently in a MLB team's minor league system (see next paragraph).
I'm not sure if it's THAT big a deal either way though. How many of the recent callups who could be immediately useful in FA aren't already in someone's MILB system anyway?
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Sept 6, 2017 17:26:22 GMT -8
I agree, signing them as free agents isn't ideal either because since they may not have "broken into the majors" yet, they will not see meaningful playing time in the majors throughout a year. But all I'm saying I guess is that the fact a player (not already on a JBL roster) has been called up in September and as a result gets some AB/IP, should make them in-eligible for the MILB Draft in the off season.
To make what I'm trying to get across clear I will use an example of a player I'm not necessarily interested in but symbolizes my point.
Jamie Callahan for example is a 23 year old RP in the NYM organization. He's young, has some potential, but is still probably a year or two away from realistically competing for a starting roster spot. He's not on a JBL roster. And the Mets called him up on September 1st as a September call up to "See what they have in him" now making his major league debut, he has so far as of today accumulated 1.2IP. Lets say for instance I had been watching this guy and was interested in him for one of my picks in the coming MLIB Draft (I wasn't actually this is hypothetical)
Per the way I interpret the rule "(a) any minor league players not on a JBL Team Minor League Roster, except that a player on an MLB 40 man roster at the time of the MILFA Draft AND who had any MLB AB/IPs in the season just ended is not eligible but may be an Off-Season Free Agent if otherwise meeting the requirements thereof"
I can no longer consider him for the coming MLIB Draft because his having pitched 1.2 innings (or what ever small amount he pitches this September) now makes him in-eligible. Now all I can do is either sign him as a FA in the off season (wich is highly impractical unless the mets come out and say something like they are inviting him to training camp and he is a shoe-in to make the team, but come on) or wait and hope really hard that he doesn't see an MLB mound for the entire 2018 season including September 2018.
In my opinion, its not completely fair, I feel I should still be able to draft him in the MLIB draft and have him sit in my minors. And in the event he does make the team next year and I want to benefit from it, I can call him up and pay him the min salary he probably would of got anyway if I signed him has a free agent. I mean I don't have to pay my other prospects in my system who were call ups with they're respective MLB teams.
But hey, if no one else thinks its a big deal then I guess I don't either, I just thought I would point out an opening for a small tweak, that's all.
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Sept 6, 2017 19:37:38 GMT -8
I see your point completely, and this whole time was under the impression that the same 130 AB / 50 IP eligibility requirements applied to both the initial minors draft and offseason MILFA draft. This is definitely my preference, as I think that having these guys able to be "sheltered" in the minor league roster instead of (likely) signed to a free agent deal (negating arbitration, for better or worse) more in keeping with the real MLB. I'll try and rework the language in the next couple of days and post for thoughts.
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Sept 9, 2017 9:50:03 GMT -8
I have updated the Constitution wording as follows. Note that eligibility is now determined by only 1. being un-owned in the JBL and 2. not exceeding rookie-eligibility thresholds.
A 6 round Minor League Free Agent Draft will begin approximately January 15th each year. Eligible players include any minor league players not on a JBL Team Minor League Roster who have not exceeded 130 AB or 50 IP in the MLB, including international signings who are currently in a MLB team's minor league system and meet the requirements below:
Regarding "International Free Agents" and the MiLFA Draft - To be eligible for the MiLFA Draft, an Int'l Free Agent must be in an MLB team minor league system prior to the start of the MiLFA Draft (ie. he must be signed prior to the start of the draft). Notwithstanding the prior sentence, a player meeting either the Off-Season or In-Season Free Agency requirements can be posted for the applicable free agency period. (Ex. Yoan Moncada was not signed before the start of the 2015 MiLFA Draft so is not eligible for JBL until the next MiLFA Draft unless before then he becomes eligible for In-Season Free Agency).
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Sept 9, 2017 17:06:53 GMT -8
cool, works for me
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