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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Aug 8, 2022 20:07:06 GMT -8
Have at it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 20:13:01 GMT -8
What do you guys think of the idea of a poll or some sort of comishinor pick for skipped over picks like the White Sox selection?
It can be painful to lose a top 10 selection even if there is a different owner.
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 8, 2022 20:28:42 GMT -8
What do you guys think of the idea of a poll or some sort of comishinor pick for skipped over picks like the White Sox selection? It can be painful to lose a top 10 selection even if there is a different owner.
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 8, 2022 20:32:04 GMT -8
What do you guys think of the idea of a poll or some sort of comishinor pick for skipped over picks like the White Sox selection? It can be painful to lose a top 10 selection even if there is a different owner. personally we have commissioners for a reason, do I wish we never had to have them intervene and everything be perfect yes. This is a super fun league I truly enjoy but I do fully believe it should be a commissioner co commissioner vote or just a commish decision in these matters. I think Curtis does a great job at solving problems and meeting people in the middle. I also really love us actually having a chat board for the draft and would love to have just a regular season chat board to just B's more also. It'll help us connect as owners I think and talk baseball and maybe some trash more and make this even more fun! My 2 cents!!
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Aug 8, 2022 20:32:28 GMT -8
What do you guys think of the idea of a poll or some sort of comishinor pick for skipped over picks like the White Sox selection? It can be painful to lose a top 10 selection even if there is a different owner. Since CWS was recently active (8/4 he logged into Proboards) I'm giving him a chance to make a pick. At the end of the 1st round I'll auto-pick my highest remaining player for him. When he comes back around in the 2nd round and still hasn't logged in, I'll immediately auto-pick rather than waiting until the end of the 2nd.
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Post by Washington Nationals (Carter) on Aug 8, 2022 20:34:48 GMT -8
good plan, Mr Commish.
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 8, 2022 20:35:35 GMT -8
Can we maybe move the trade deadline back a week after the amateur draft? It would solve some trade problems most likely?
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 8, 2022 20:37:07 GMT -8
What do you guys think of the idea of a poll or some sort of comishinor pick for skipped over picks like the White Sox selection? It can be painful to lose a top 10 selection even if there is a different owner. Since CWS was recently active (8/4 he logged into Proboards) I'm giving him a chance to make a pick. At the end of the 1st round I'll auto-pick my highest remaining player for him. When he comes back around in the 2nd round and still hasn't logged in, I'll immediately auto-pick rather than waiting until the end of the 2nd. I'll message him since he's my bro! I haven't talked to him in over a week and know things are pretty hectic for him right now. I'll message him though. He's still trying to figure out how to do some things also.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 21:06:00 GMT -8
I remember Commish auto-selected for Houston one year with I think the 3rd or 4th pick? With selections so high, It's important I believe for balance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 21:19:11 GMT -8
I remember Commish auto-selected for Houston one year with I think the 3rd or 4th pick? With selections so high, It's important I believe for balance. It was the Bleday draft and he showed up pretty late or something like that. I just like to talk about this because it seems to happen every year where a top 15 pick turns into the 24th pick or something. I might be overexaggerating a little, but it could be important.
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Aug 9, 2022 3:15:30 GMT -8
First off, it happens to us all. While I have been in the situation before where I have just enough cell signal to load the pro board site so I can make my pic, but not enough cell signal to access Google sheets, I've never thought it okay to just say in my pic "Can someone else contact the next guy" And then never follow up. When I've done that in the past, I'm still checking pro boards within the next hour or so, And then even sending another email to the next person just in case no one did. Because that is still my responsibility.
Curtis's plan for auto picking is the best, and it has always worked in the past. I don't agree that unless an owner is truly inactive or just neglecting to pick (has logged in recently but not picked) auto picks should just happen immediately. If I missed my pic in any round, I would be upset, but I would especially be upset if I was now stuck with a guy I didn't pick.
Bottom line is, you got to send the email out after your pic or at least try really really really hard to get somebody else to do it. I found that in situations where the guy I wanted was already picked, and now I have to go look up another guy, I definitely have time to email the next person. In a serious pinch I have even replied before to the person who sent me the email saying I was on the clock, and asking them if they could email the next person for me.
But again, it happens. I definitely don't understand how both Seattle's pics were skipped though, cuz that should have taken 12 hours.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 3:28:40 GMT -8
First off, it happens to us all. While I have been in the situation before where I have just enough cell signal to load the pro board site so I can make my pic, but not enough cell signal to access Google sheets, I've never thought it okay to just say in my pic "Can someone else contact the next guy" And then never follow up. When I've done that in the past, I'm still checking pro boards within the next hour or so, And then even sending another email to the next person just in case no one did. Because that is still my responsibility. Curtis's plan for auto picking is the best, and it has always worked in the past. I don't agree that unless an owner is truly inactive or just neglecting to pick (has logged in recently but not picked) auto picks should just happen immediately. If I missed my pic in any round, I would be upset, but I would especially be upset if I was now stuck with a guy I didn't pick. Bottom line is, you got to send the email out after your pic or at least try really really really hard to get somebody else to do it. I found that in situations where the guy I wanted was already picked, and now I have to go look up another guy, I definitely have time to email the next person. In a serious pinch I have even replied before to the person who sent me the email saying I was on the clock, and asking them if they could email the next person for me. But again, it happens. I definitely don't understand how both Seattle's pics were skipped though, cuz that should have taken 12 hours. Only pick 1.19 was skipped. I made picks 1.20 and 1.21 and then Sea picked twice (1.19 and 1.22. But he was not happy and Curtis decided to undo all my picks based on nothing... Right after I made my picks/ or at the same time Curtis adjusted Sea time clock based on the moment he sent the email to Sea to inform he is OTC. SEA even said that he was aware he was OTC before my picks (At 6 PM) but probably didn't make pick 1.19 knowing that Curtis decided to calculate the 6 hours time clock from the moment of the email instead of the moment pick 1.18 was made (as it is stated in the Constitution). Curtis made a mistake and instead of admiting it he decided to undo my picks. And Sea took his decision for granted instead of knowing/checking the Constitution before whining about his picks I really hope the other co-commissioners will look carefully on this and make the right call of giving back the players I drafted.
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Aug 9, 2022 3:39:17 GMT -8
I will take a closer look in a few hours
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 4:31:11 GMT -8
I will take a closer look in a few hours Please do it. Talk with Curtis, Robin and Jon. If you need more explanations from me I can answer any question after 8 pm ET
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Post by Tampa Bay Rays (Mark) on Aug 9, 2022 5:28:05 GMT -8
Some of the issues we are seeing could be addressed by conducting the draft through Fantrax. - Automatic notification when you are on the clock - enforcement of time limits - pick from a team’s draft queue if they time out; if you do a little planning ahead, you can make sure your pick is never skipped if unexpected circumstances (or expected ones) prevent you from checking in. - easier tracking of traded picks
There are limitations. It would require moving the AMAT draft until October, once the new season renews. Also will not support 2 drafts, so MiLFA would still run through proboards. (We could even get around that by creating a dummy league solely for the MiLFA. Now that I think of it, we could use the dummy league for AMAT and keep it in August.)
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Aug 9, 2022 5:42:09 GMT -8
All - please move discussions on ATL's complaints to this thread vs. the draft thread.
We will not be changing the format of the AMAT draft. This has worked well in the past.
ATL bypassed a Commissioner-imposed time expiration for SEA's on the clock 1.19 pick in order to make picks 1.20 and 1.21. Despite having a Constitution, there are practical needs for league oversight and I can think of countless other examples where Commissioner guidance overrules the "letter of the law" so to speak in Constitutional terms.
In my opinion this is getting blown out of the water. It is not as if ATL is getting stripped of 3 first round picks, they must simply be made when ATL is appropriately on the clock.
Needless to say any further pick skipping will not be done at owner discretion and will require a Commissioner to formally post the pick is skipped (as I should have done in the case of the earlier CWS pick). I understand this may be frustrating as it will add time to the draft, and I am not able to give the draft the same attention as in years past, but I trust that you will all mostly exercise patience and realize that the object of time clocks is not to provide a route to competitive advantage and rather to keep the draft moving at a reasonable pace.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 6:17:16 GMT -8
Really??? We have a Constitution in order for you (Curtis) to change rules whenever you feel like???
How about not changing the rules during the draft??? This is what you are doing by introducing a commissioner to set the time clock now...
Curtis, I am really disappointed in how you are handling this. In the past I stayed in this league because I appreciated the leadership of the board. But now things are completely crazy...
You still did not admit your mistake (by setting a new time clock for Robin) and the fact that I did nothing wrong and you undid my picks without a reasonable motive.
I am already sick of this nonsense.
Wish you all the best.
I am out of this league.
Cheers!
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Aug 9, 2022 6:49:19 GMT -8
@dinamo14 Sorry to hear that, especially considering that your picks haven't changed. All the best.
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Post by Philadelphia Phillies (Paul) on Aug 9, 2022 7:24:44 GMT -8
I think Mihai has a point, but so does Curtis.
We need a commish that can act and overrule, when needed. But setting a new clock based on email time doesn't make sense to me.
Assuming we've fixed the email issue by putting email addressed into our draft sub-board, no one should have problems emailing next - it's an extra minute, maybe two.
Pick clock should start at time previous pick was made. The 6-hour window is more than enough time, even if it takes an hour to email the next team, although I imagine it'll be done within a few minutes.
That said, I also believe a co-/commissioner must declare a skipped pick, at least in the first two rounds, maybe. Between 3 or 4 of them, 1 should be around to declare this - and if one of us is the first to notice, we can message a commish to declare a skip. All this might add - what - another 10-30 minutes, at most.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 8:27:00 GMT -8
I think Mihai has a point, but so does Curtis. We need a commish that can act and overrule, when needed. But setting a new clock based on email time doesn't make sense to me. Assuming we've fixed the email issue by putting email addressed into our draft sub-board, no one should have problems emailing next - it's an extra minute, maybe two. Pick clock should start at time previous pick was made. The 6-hour window is more than enough time, even if it takes an hour to email the next team, although I imagine it'll be done within a few minutes. That said, I also believe a co-/commissioner must declare a skipped pick, at least in the first two rounds, maybe. Between 3 or 4 of them, 1 should be around to declare this - and if one of us is the first to notice, we can message a commish to declare a skip. All this might add - what - another 10-30 minutes, at most. I agree this is the best going forward. The emailing in my opinion should never be a problem but now especially with the email list. The situation seems to have points on both sides; however, set on precedent in the past it does not seem right what was done with Atlanta. Curtis set the timing to 20:00 in the original post. The question becomes do we trust the past drafts where we went by the past pick or the commish timing on the top? When the past pick went to six hours the next team selected, because not EVERY pick has the commish putting in the original post up until xx:xx. Even then, the 20:00 is different from the past post where Atlanta was able to select at 19:42 or something like that. Regardless of email, we had a precedent that after six hours the pick would be skipped regardless of a co-commish skipping it. We used to even skip consecutive picks in the past regardless of position if one clock already was skipped. Based on the past and there NOT formally being a rule change, it should not be Mihais "fault" that two picks were skipped it's not in the rule book and in the past we had done that. I am not a co-commish, but just my two cents. BUT regardless of "fault", an apology would be best and just move forward with a standard new rule set. I'm sorry if it is personal Mihai. We need to move forward with the league and I enjoyed talking and working with you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 8:40:48 GMT -8
First off, it happens to us all. While I have been in the situation before where I have just enough cell signal to load the pro board site so I can make my pic, but not enough cell signal to access Google sheets, I've never thought it okay to just say in my pic "Can someone else contact the next guy" And then never follow up. When I've done that in the past, I'm still checking pro boards within the next hour or so, And then even sending another email to the next person just in case no one did. Because that is still my responsibility. Curtis's plan for auto picking is the best, and it has always worked in the past. I don't agree that unless an owner is truly inactive or just neglecting to pick (has logged in recently but not picked) auto picks should just happen immediately. If I missed my pic in any round, I would be upset, but I would especially be upset if I was now stuck with a guy I didn't pick. Bottom line is, you got to send the email out after your pic or at least try really really really hard to get somebody else to do it. I found that in situations where the guy I wanted was already picked, and now I have to go look up another guy, I definitely have time to email the next person. In a serious pinch I have even replied before to the person who sent me the email saying I was on the clock, and asking them if they could email the next person for me. But again, it happens. I definitely don't understand how both Seattle's pics were skipped though, cuz that should have taken 12 hours. Pertaining your second paragraph, for top 10 picks, I think the drop off in talent does bring up this question. We already waited the 6 hours, it's not like we are losing or gaining time for this decision. It's not the biggest deal in the world, so it's just a smaller thing. Also your last paragraph, I can show you proof going back to previous drafts multiple picks were skipped in the same round based on the the first six hours elapsing. It's not new. Is it right? I don't know?
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Post by Washington Nationals (Carter) on Aug 9, 2022 8:45:21 GMT -8
I agree both Curtis and Mihai have points. There is the constitution and the actuality. Curtis does more than his best and tries to be fair. Someone needs to make a decision and take on these responsibilities, Curtis has.
I dont have a strong view either way for the future as what is best. The problem is if the email goes significantly late, isnt sent, or isnt received. What then. Perhaps it might be easier to enforce a rule that the time of the previous pick sets the clock and that we all bear the responsibility to check here to be aware of that.
We all hope you will change your mind, Mihai. Shit happens.
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Aug 9, 2022 10:05:23 GMT -8
First off, it happens to us all. While I have been in the situation before where I have just enough cell signal to load the pro board site so I can make my pic, but not enough cell signal to access Google sheets, I've never thought it okay to just say in my pic "Can someone else contact the next guy" And then never follow up. When I've done that in the past, I'm still checking pro boards within the next hour or so, And then even sending another email to the next person just in case no one did. Because that is still my responsibility. Curtis's plan for auto picking is the best, and it has always worked in the past. I don't agree that unless an owner is truly inactive or just neglecting to pick (has logged in recently but not picked) auto picks should just happen immediately. If I missed my pic in any round, I would be upset, but I would especially be upset if I was now stuck with a guy I didn't pick. Bottom line is, you got to send the email out after your pic or at least try really really really hard to get somebody else to do it. I found that in situations where the guy I wanted was already picked, and now I have to go look up another guy, I definitely have time to email the next person. In a serious pinch I have even replied before to the person who sent me the email saying I was on the clock, and asking them if they could email the next person for me. But again, it happens. I definitely don't understand how both Seattle's pics were skipped though, cuz that should have taken 12 hours. Pertaining your second paragraph, for top 10 picks, I think the drop off in talent does bring up this question. We already waited the 6 hours, it's not like we are losing or gaining time for this decision. It's not the biggest deal in the world, so it's just a smaller thing. Also your last paragraph, I can show you proof going back to previous drafts multiple picks were skipped in the same round based on the the first six hours elapsing. It's not new. Is it right? I don't know? Meh, I've done some of my best drafting after the fifth round
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Post by Philadelphia Phillies (Paul) on Aug 9, 2022 13:52:09 GMT -8
Zach Neto getting promoted to AA already...super fast for position players.
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Post by Detroit Tigers (Matt) on Aug 9, 2022 14:18:19 GMT -8
Zach Neto getting promoted to AA already...super fast for position players. Stop rubbing it in ik I wanted him so bad
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 14:21:04 GMT -8
If there is a team I trust to develop prospects and not push them too far to meet expectations it's the ANgels. lol
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 9, 2022 20:49:03 GMT -8
Dang, if y'all ain't watching this Mariners Yankees game you are missing a gem!! This is huge for the M's to prove they can run with the best in baseball right now. Hell of a game!!
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Post by Chicago Cubs (Curtis) on Aug 9, 2022 21:00:19 GMT -8
Dang, if y'all ain't watching this Mariners Yankees game you are missing a gem!! This is huge for the M's to prove they can run with the best in baseball right now. Hell of a game!! Watching it along with you, incredible stuff on display by both pitching staffs
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Post by New York Yankees (Josh) on Aug 9, 2022 21:03:12 GMT -8
Dang, if y'all ain't watching this Mariners Yankees game you are missing a gem!! This is huge for the M's to prove they can run with the best in baseball right now. Hell of a game!! Watching it along with you, incredible stuff on display by both pitching staffs Fyi I absolutely hate the Yankees lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 14:02:10 GMT -8
I really like Gabriel Hughes, but I don't know how much to value a Colorado pitcher in fantasy. What do you guys think?
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